1 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:10,530 thank you 2 00:00:10,540 --> 00:00:16,630 [Music] 3 00:00:25,070 --> 00:00:20,510 come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I 4 00:00:26,830 --> 00:00:25,080 feel like a Nevis off Blast Off blast 5 00:00:31,749 --> 00:00:26,840 off flashlight 6 00:00:38,770 --> 00:00:37,010 Blast Off Blast Off Blast Off Blast Off 7 00:00:42,110 --> 00:00:38,780 [Music] 8 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:42,120 on another unbelievable episode of the 9 00:00:49,569 --> 00:00:44,760 hyper anomalous esoteric research 10 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:49,579 organization podcast AKA hero paranormal 11 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:52,260 broadcasting just south of the old 12 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:55,620 Sherman Ranch at space Wolf research 13 00:01:01,729 --> 00:00:58,920 my name is Ryan the anomalous ambassador 14 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:01,739 of the airwaves bringing you an 15 00:01:08,870 --> 00:01:05,519 unbelievably mysterious episode today 16 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:08,880 okay guys before we get 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00:02:36,180 Brian not only writes about the topics 47 00:02:41,630 --> 00:02:38,760 many are unwilling to even open their 48 00:02:44,690 --> 00:02:41,640 minds to but he visits locations 49 00:02:47,869 --> 00:02:44,700 such as the Templar inspired and many 50 00:02:50,449 --> 00:02:47,879 say built Rosalind Chapel he believes 51 00:02:52,369 --> 00:02:50,459 that within this holy and mysterious 52 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,379 building there is a hidden portal 53 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:54,959 leading to a source of gnosis so 54 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:57,840 important that it was hidden away in a 55 00:03:02,869 --> 00:03:00,720 vault beyond the reach of man and sealed 56 00:03:05,570 --> 00:03:02,879 there with a lock of such complexity 57 00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:05,580 that it requires a conscious Act of 58 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:08,220 belief coupled to several types of 59 00:03:13,850 --> 00:03:10,680 frequency to open it I don't doubt this 60 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:13,860 for a minute Brian knows his stuff and 61 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:15,780 this makes The Da Vinci Code look like 62 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:17,040 Child's Play 63 00:03:23,149 --> 00:03:20,220 Brian has tackled many of the deepest 64 00:03:26,270 --> 00:03:23,159 subjects in a book so cleanly outlined 65 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:26,280 well written and easy to understand that 66 00:03:31,729 --> 00:03:27,959 it should be on everyone's Christmas 67 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:31,739 list in fact I will donate a copy to the 68 00:03:36,410 --> 00:03:34,140 first listener to like subscribe to Hero 69 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:36,420 paranormal on patreon and share this 70 00:03:41,809 --> 00:03:39,000 YouTube episode on their Facebook social 71 00:03:44,089 --> 00:03:41,819 media just direct message us with proof 72 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:44,099 to Hero paranormal at Facebook and it's 73 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:47,280 yours the book is that good and I 74 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:49,440 believe it needs to be spread far and 75 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:52,440 wide Brian Allen has been a contributor 76 00:03:57,530 --> 00:03:55,140 and guest as well as consultant to many 77 00:04:00,610 --> 00:03:57,540 TV documentaries dealing with the 78 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:00,620 Paranormal commissioned by the BBC TV 79 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:04,500 ITV polish TV the Discovery Channel The 80 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:07,260 History Channel plus many independent TV 81 00:04:13,070 --> 00:04:10,260 production companies both in the UK and 82 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:13,080 us and has been a guest on many 83 00:04:18,289 --> 00:04:15,540 international radio and television shows 84 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:18,299 he is also a a regular giving 85 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:20,820 presentations on a variety of subjects 86 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:23,759 at UFO and paranormal themed conferences 87 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:25,620 around the world 88 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:27,660 Brian Allen welcome to the hero 89 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:29,520 paranormal podcast 90 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,380 hey thank you very much for having me on 91 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:33,720 I had trouble recognize myself if I 92 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:35,940 really like yeah that must be me above 93 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:37,020 me 94 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:40,680 this is great this is a great book there 95 00:04:46,189 --> 00:04:43,919 are so many directions we can go in what 96 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:46,199 what caused you to write the book it's 97 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:48,360 so well written and I really think it's 98 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:51,180 good for people who are involved in 99 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:52,860 these topics as well as those who are 100 00:04:56,210 --> 00:04:54,479 not 101 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:56,220 well I guess you're right well the 102 00:05:00,290 --> 00:04:58,680 reason why I wrote the book was that I 103 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:00,300 never stop writing 104 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:02,340 that this this is one of the reasons 105 00:05:06,110 --> 00:05:04,440 that I'm always writing something 106 00:05:08,330 --> 00:05:06,120 whether it's an editorial for the 107 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:08,340 magazine and then write the editorial 108 00:05:12,170 --> 00:05:10,320 this will trigger something off when I 109 00:05:14,749 --> 00:05:12,180 know I'll worry about that so I write 110 00:05:16,969 --> 00:05:14,759 about it um and I just usually failed in 111 00:05:19,249 --> 00:05:16,979 a way some are put in the magazine but I 112 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:19,259 never put them under my name because my 113 00:05:22,969 --> 00:05:21,060 ego doesn't need that amount of stroking 114 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:22,979 I usually put them under a shooting on 115 00:05:26,689 --> 00:05:24,240 some kind 116 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:26,699 um I've been using one with Milton 117 00:05:31,490 --> 00:05:29,340 Grover for a while which is almost an 118 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:31,500 anagram of drove us Mill which is you 119 00:05:35,689 --> 00:05:33,240 know where the Martians landed in the 120 00:05:39,230 --> 00:05:35,699 U.S version of War of the world but uh 121 00:05:42,770 --> 00:05:39,240 yes I use that for an anagram setup I 122 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:42,780 should say but um yeah it's it's it's 123 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:45,060 stuff of it lying around and I had a 124 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,080 look at it 125 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:48,240 and I said you know there's there's 126 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:50,520 themes in here so I tries to draw them 127 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:52,740 into themes and I put them together 128 00:05:57,950 --> 00:05:55,620 and they're offered you know initially 129 00:05:59,870 --> 00:05:57,960 before I thought it was a book 130 00:06:02,930 --> 00:05:59,880 I offered them to 131 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:02,940 um a reality entertainment across in 132 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:05,460 California Geico Warren croyle says 133 00:06:08,090 --> 00:06:06,360 company 134 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:08,100 and one had a look and they said Well 135 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:09,840 we'd like to use some of the stuff out 136 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:12,000 of it and do a documentary 137 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:15,060 so I said yeah whatever so there's also 138 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,620 a documentary it's got the same artwork 139 00:06:20,689 --> 00:06:18,960 in my ad also called Booker Secrets here 140 00:06:23,629 --> 00:06:20,699 waves ghosts and ancient Mysteries and 141 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:23,639 it's available too from a reality 142 00:06:28,249 --> 00:06:25,680 entertainment but um yeah but the book 143 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:28,259 offered it to Philip mantle now I don't 144 00:06:32,529 --> 00:06:30,120 know if you know Philip mantle but um 145 00:06:34,730 --> 00:06:32,539 Philip it's probably one of the best 146 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:34,740 non-newfologists in this country is in 147 00:06:38,629 --> 00:06:36,360 in the UK it's been all and 148 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:38,639 international as a hands and he 149 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:40,319 originally started up his own Publishing 150 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:42,360 House called flying disc press 151 00:06:46,909 --> 00:06:44,580 and when he knew and I've known Phil for 152 00:06:47,629 --> 00:06:46,919 a year well for his or 20 or 30 years I 153 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:47,639 guess 154 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:49,620 so when Phil knew I had this new book 155 00:06:53,809 --> 00:06:51,300 coming out it but it just pretty much 156 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:53,819 snapped my hand off to get it and that's 157 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:55,800 after the second book of mine or the 158 00:06:59,150 --> 00:06:57,180 second book have been involved and 159 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,160 people which is the first book I've 160 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:01,500 written myself to the previous one I 161 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:03,300 wrote with a guy called Barry Fitzgerald 162 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:06,180 and that was um he actually was Keen 163 00:07:12,469 --> 00:07:09,060 enough to publish that one as well 164 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:12,479 um but yeah it's it was ideas that had 165 00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:14,400 floating around I put them together and 166 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:16,259 and the book was published so there you 167 00:07:23,029 --> 00:07:20,639 go amazing book and yes the artwork is 168 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:23,039 absolutely amazing and Philip is the 169 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:25,800 best I actually hope to write a book 170 00:07:31,070 --> 00:07:27,900 through flying disc press as soon as I 171 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:31,080 get my toddlers a little bit older I've 172 00:07:35,809 --> 00:07:33,120 done nothing but self-publish up to now 173 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:35,819 and it seems like Philip really he 174 00:07:39,170 --> 00:07:37,500 really is the best and and Barry 175 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:39,180 Fitzgerald I actually know him 176 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:41,639 personally he's you're he's he's great 177 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:44,460 as well he's come out to uh space Wolf 178 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:47,940 research base camp in Utah He's another 179 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:49,919 investigator much like yourself that 180 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:52,860 visits these locations let's get to this 181 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:55,380 because I'm fascinated by Roslyn Chapel 182 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:57,780 you've been there and this is an area 183 00:08:02,689 --> 00:08:00,240 that I hope to someday it's it's one of 184 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:02,699 those bucket list places that I think 185 00:08:08,089 --> 00:08:05,340 many people interested in the mysteries 186 00:08:10,309 --> 00:08:08,099 of our times and the esoteric I mean 187 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:10,319 would only dream to visit you've been 188 00:08:15,409 --> 00:08:12,900 there tell us about it I've been there 189 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:15,419 many many times but to be honest I'd 190 00:08:19,730 --> 00:08:17,340 never even had the Roslyn Chapel 191 00:08:22,909 --> 00:08:19,740 tolerate a bit back in the 1980s called 192 00:08:25,369 --> 00:08:22,919 The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and uh 193 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:25,379 it's mentioned in it and and two or 194 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:28,440 three books after that so in the 1980s 195 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:30,660 was the late 1980s was the first thing I 196 00:08:34,909 --> 00:08:32,820 actually visited the chapel and we 197 00:08:36,889 --> 00:08:34,919 Revisited it's it's not a lot like well 198 00:08:39,290 --> 00:08:36,899 orbital it looks the same but the 199 00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:39,300 visitor side of it it was very very 200 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:41,520 basic pretty much a wooden Hut wooden 201 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:43,320 shed and you just walked through that 202 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:45,180 now into the page of money and enter the 203 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:46,440 chapel but now there's a much more 204 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:48,300 glossy production you know they've got 205 00:08:53,509 --> 00:08:51,600 the cafe gift shop your your exit 206 00:08:56,750 --> 00:08:53,519 through the gift shop sort of thing but 207 00:09:00,530 --> 00:08:56,760 it's it's a marvelous place now 208 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:00,540 we first visited the uh seriously in 209 00:09:05,449 --> 00:09:03,720 late 1980 but it wasn't until the 1990s 210 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:05,459 that was that I started taking interest 211 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:07,140 in the esoteric side of the place 212 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:08,220 because 213 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:10,980 a medium who had been there with me told 214 00:09:15,170 --> 00:09:11,880 me 215 00:09:17,810 --> 00:09:15,180 this is rather more than a building an 216 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:17,820 ordinary building is actually a 217 00:09:21,170 --> 00:09:19,260 spiritual machine 218 00:09:21,949 --> 00:09:21,180 so I said what do you mean so she said 219 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:21,959 well 220 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:24,240 if you had cameras set up watching this 221 00:09:29,329 --> 00:09:26,220 place 24 hours a day you know seven days 222 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:29,339 a week 365 days a year you would find 223 00:09:34,370 --> 00:09:31,620 things would change details would change 224 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:34,380 because it's not a hundred percent 225 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:37,080 locked in this space-time there's about 226 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:39,300 one percent of it half a percent of it 227 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:42,180 locked elsewhere in space-time so 228 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:45,180 there's all they also told me that there 229 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:47,640 was uh they called a national doorway in 230 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:48,720 the chapel 231 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:50,760 now I wasn't too sure what that meant at 232 00:09:53,269 --> 00:09:52,140 the time but I made it my business to 233 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:53,279 find out 234 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:54,600 but however 235 00:10:00,550 --> 00:09:57,360 in the late in the mid 1990s I guess 236 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:04,910 again with mediums and my wife was there 237 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:06,000 as well 238 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:07,440 and 239 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:09,720 we decided to do some looking around 240 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:11,940 real close looking at the place now I 241 00:10:17,449 --> 00:10:14,580 was always interested in this concept of 242 00:10:20,329 --> 00:10:17,459 the um Hassel doorway 243 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:20,339 now they said that the [\h__\h] doorway 244 00:10:25,790 --> 00:10:23,760 as right up against the voice called the 245 00:10:27,949 --> 00:10:25,800 Saint Matthew altar because although 246 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:27,959 it's called Rosalind Chapel that the 247 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:29,760 correct name is the Collegiate Church of 248 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:33,060 Saint Matthew believe it or not and we 249 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:34,680 uh and there's actually this is Matthew 250 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:38,640 alter that this this portal the actual 251 00:10:42,769 --> 00:10:40,860 doorway they called the portal I call it 252 00:10:44,569 --> 00:10:42,779 is in there now the other thing was that 253 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:44,579 one of the Legends associated with 254 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:46,740 Roslyn Chapel is that the physical 255 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:49,920 Gateway To Heaven is in there okay down 256 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:51,600 in the vaults 257 00:10:57,470 --> 00:10:54,540 now it could be that this is a badly or 258 00:10:59,810 --> 00:10:57,480 a poorly remembered reference to the 259 00:11:01,790 --> 00:10:59,820 social doorway that you know because the 260 00:11:03,290 --> 00:11:01,800 medium said things go two ways out of 261 00:11:05,449 --> 00:11:03,300 this and you go through it stuff can 262 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:05,459 come out of another way as well so this 263 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:07,079 reference to a physical Gateway To 264 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:08,519 Heaven might be a reference to this 265 00:11:12,110 --> 00:11:10,380 [\h__\h] doorway 266 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:12,120 so when we were there on that particular 267 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,800 date you know I was taking you know I 268 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:15,839 was videoing everything okay I could get 269 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:18,540 it because the the trustees are at that 270 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:20,399 same weren't too bad about it but you 271 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:21,660 certainly wouldn't get to do that now 272 00:11:26,690 --> 00:11:24,420 that we just wouldn't have it but um at 273 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:26,700 the time my wife was videoing me and I 274 00:11:30,769 --> 00:11:28,380 was standing with my back again to said 275 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:30,779 Matthew altar I should say that I said 276 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:32,880 Matthew author is is in what is called 277 00:11:37,490 --> 00:11:35,579 the lady choir or so more correctly 278 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:37,500 called the retroquoia which is in the 279 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:39,120 East End quite approximately of the 280 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:40,200 chapel 281 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:43,680 and uh there are three authors in in the 282 00:11:47,269 --> 00:11:45,660 lady Chapel right up against the wall 283 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:47,279 there are roughly just a little over 284 00:11:50,509 --> 00:11:49,260 chest height but not not too big and 285 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:50,519 they're not too deep 286 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:52,140 so there are three of them and there's 287 00:11:56,329 --> 00:11:53,700 actually a force alter called the high 288 00:11:57,769 --> 00:11:56,339 altar strange weather which is above the 289 00:11:59,930 --> 00:11:57,779 steps that lead there into the Crypt 290 00:12:01,670 --> 00:11:59,940 then it will concentrate on this in 291 00:12:02,690 --> 00:12:01,680 Matthew altar on the left hand side as 292 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:02,700 you face it 293 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:04,860 now I was standing 294 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:07,800 with my back to the Altar and I was 295 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:09,240 chatting to my wife and all of a sudden 296 00:12:14,269 --> 00:12:12,300 and it was most disconcerting I could 297 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,279 feel my arms starting to float up from 298 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,320 my sides literally float up in the air 299 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:18,480 and and there was a conscious effort to 300 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:19,980 put them back down again everyone 301 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:21,959 relaxed again it started to float up 302 00:12:25,550 --> 00:12:22,800 again 303 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:25,560 and I had the sensation the feeling to 304 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,100 me was as if something was was pushing 305 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:31,200 me up by the heels like it's like a 306 00:12:36,050 --> 00:12:33,600 hydraulic Rams under my feet almost and 307 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:36,060 I was getting lifted up from the floor 308 00:12:40,670 --> 00:12:38,940 and at that step tumbled forward a 309 00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:40,680 little bit and I said well and I said to 310 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:42,839 my wife did you see that she says yeah 311 00:12:46,970 --> 00:12:45,300 so I took the camera I said stand up put 312 00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:46,980 it back against the Altar and just relax 313 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:49,740 your hands and her hand started to come 314 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:51,060 off as well 315 00:12:55,550 --> 00:12:52,740 so there was something very strange 316 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:55,560 happening at the altar well 317 00:12:59,090 --> 00:12:57,360 we walked away from there and one of the 318 00:13:01,129 --> 00:12:59,100 media and had a camera and I actually 319 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:01,139 wasn't the video camera was just a 320 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:02,940 Natalie still come a digital still 321 00:13:05,930 --> 00:13:04,200 camera 322 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:05,940 and they said oh something's happening 323 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:08,160 at the altar so I turned around and 324 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:10,800 pushed the shutter release as I was on 325 00:13:15,889 --> 00:13:13,380 the tongue so the images slightly blob 326 00:13:17,389 --> 00:13:15,899 but the image I got was of the center of 327 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:17,399 the altar which has got the what they 328 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:19,500 call the engralled Sinkler cross is 329 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:21,000 actually in the center of the ultimate 330 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:22,680 the church the chapel was built by Sir 331 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:26,220 William Singler and racial Center boss 332 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:28,260 of the little altar is greatly 333 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:29,519 eliminated 334 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:31,980 now I have no idea why because it 335 00:13:35,930 --> 00:13:33,600 wouldn't have been I mean the camera 336 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:35,940 wasn't on flash because a flash wouldn't 337 00:13:40,190 --> 00:13:37,320 have done that have deluminated the 338 00:13:41,569 --> 00:13:40,200 whole altar and a flashlight wouldn't 339 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:41,579 have gone either because it would have 340 00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:44,339 been too spread so yeah the the center 341 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:47,279 boss of the of the altar right on the 342 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:49,800 top and I always couldn't figure out why 343 00:13:53,870 --> 00:13:51,060 that should be 344 00:13:55,490 --> 00:13:53,880 but we'll have to you know we'll have to 345 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:55,500 we'll have to left a chapel went over 346 00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:57,360 and I thought about this 347 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:00,540 because also in the ceiling of the lady 348 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:04,560 Chapel there are bands of of stone cubes 349 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:07,800 all into the car arcing up to the 350 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,680 ceiling and these Stone cubes are coming 351 00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:12,959 from like little Stone musical 352 00:14:15,530 --> 00:14:13,980 instruments 353 00:14:17,449 --> 00:14:15,540 which again played by little Stone 354 00:14:20,990 --> 00:14:17,459 Angels which he wrote about the carvings 355 00:14:23,389 --> 00:14:21,000 so it's obvious that these cubes 356 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:23,399 represented musical notes 357 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:26,579 about what were they now each face of 358 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:28,980 each cube is slightly different 359 00:14:34,910 --> 00:14:31,500 so that it would appear that they're 360 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:34,920 representing Miracle notes now 361 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:37,260 there's a there's a there's something 362 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:39,920 called a schladney 363 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:42,420 c-h-l-a-d-n-i-a-chladney pattern 364 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:44,220 now 365 00:14:47,449 --> 00:14:45,720 at the time 366 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:47,459 the only way they could reproduce these 367 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:48,660 things this is going back I think the 368 00:14:54,170 --> 00:14:51,420 guy Ernie was I think it was called the 369 00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:54,180 the the the father of well it was a 370 00:14:57,889 --> 00:14:56,040 father it's a modern father of some 371 00:14:58,430 --> 00:14:57,899 Physics 372 00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:58,440 um 373 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,720 frequencies it was it was it had the 374 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:02,160 name for this I can't actually remember 375 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:05,519 it's I'll find but he decided that he 376 00:15:10,009 --> 00:15:07,620 could he could reproduce notes musical 377 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:10,019 notes by taking a thin piece of metal or 378 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:12,420 a thin piece of glass clumping it at a 379 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:15,480 corner sprinkling Fame powder on it then 380 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:18,300 drawing a board on it and whoever note 381 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:21,480 the bow took it set up patterns in in 382 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:23,639 the family they finally scattered sand 383 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,959 or whatever they were using on the 384 00:15:29,449 --> 00:15:26,880 surface 385 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:29,459 um we thought we formed the opinion that 386 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:32,339 these these patterns in the cubes were 387 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:34,920 musical notes and and they actually 388 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:37,199 conformed to something 389 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:40,320 so I can I confirmed with a guy called 390 00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,680 bill dhoni um who was a musician and we 391 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:45,839 decided to try and figure out so 392 00:15:50,329 --> 00:15:48,420 now and I'm not going to say that well 393 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:50,339 what they say ourselves it was sheer 394 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:51,240 luck 395 00:15:57,769 --> 00:15:54,360 sheer chance that we actually happened 396 00:16:01,790 --> 00:15:57,779 on what the actual note was 397 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,800 and it is uh an augmented fourth as a 398 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:03,360 dissonant note in other words in other 399 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:06,240 words they were designed to create I 400 00:16:10,189 --> 00:16:07,980 feel like a feeling about news I think 401 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:10,199 you'll hear one in the theme tune to The 402 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:12,480 Simpsons believe it about on TV that 403 00:16:16,189 --> 00:16:14,220 could that that contain the smoke in the 404 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:16,199 water uh Deep Purple that's another one 405 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:18,540 that contains this particular note 406 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:21,240 and they were designed to produce 407 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:24,180 feelings of our knees and the touch the 408 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:25,500 Catholic Church actually abandoned 409 00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:27,480 completely in church music in the Middle 410 00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:28,800 Ages 411 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,839 but because apart from anything else as 412 00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:32,760 well as producing feelings of our knees 413 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:35,699 it would appear given as if there were 414 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:37,800 in a specific size of building they 415 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:40,740 would create a frequency that would 416 00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:42,779 cause people in it to call it to 417 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:44,279 experience it feel like elevated 418 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,920 feelings to contact the Divine sort of 419 00:16:50,689 --> 00:16:48,720 trip out if you like on the actual note 420 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,699 being produced for one of the best of 421 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,560 them and the church wouldn't have that 422 00:16:58,009 --> 00:16:55,440 because it was so Arbiter of who would 423 00:17:00,889 --> 00:16:58,019 or would not experience as a spiritual 424 00:17:02,930 --> 00:17:00,899 revelation to the abandoned obviously 425 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:02,940 that was all changed the last time we've 426 00:17:07,309 --> 00:17:05,220 done it all came back but we came up 427 00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:07,319 with this particular note it's called 428 00:17:10,970 --> 00:17:09,419 The Devil's chord and we had quite 429 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,980 appropriately 430 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,199 and as it 431 00:17:17,449 --> 00:17:15,839 we took the musical notes and broke them 432 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:17,459 down into frequencies 433 00:17:21,289 --> 00:17:20,280 now there's an F sharp which is 370 434 00:17:31,150 --> 00:17:21,299 Hertz 435 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:31,160 and we created this called and back in 436 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:35,160 2005 2006 it was whatever it was active 437 00:17:39,049 --> 00:17:37,740 two years but managed to get access to 438 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:39,059 the chapel 439 00:17:44,210 --> 00:17:42,780 and we had the note transcribed onto a 440 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:44,220 laptop computer 441 00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:45,960 and so we took the laptop into the 442 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:47,100 chapel 443 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:50,580 and we started you know train at the the 444 00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:52,200 different frequencies on it especially 445 00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:54,360 the the devil's got 446 00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:57,660 now nothing happened very much 447 00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:00,720 until one of the guys who was with us he 448 00:18:04,190 --> 00:18:02,220 didn't actually know what were he wasn't 449 00:18:06,049 --> 00:18:04,200 too sure what he was supposed to do so 450 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:06,059 he went down into the Crypt and he 451 00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:08,039 started toning 452 00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:13,799 the chapel created a note entirely on 453 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:14,760 its own 454 00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,860 because what you had was that the 455 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:19,200 devil's chord coming from the laptop and 456 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:21,240 this guy downstairs toning and we could 457 00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:22,500 hear this going on and we'll go oh 458 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,419 that's that's nice that's good then all 459 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:26,700 of a sudden we had a thug twins kicked 460 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,780 off 461 00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:29,520 and they said oh where did that come 462 00:18:32,510 --> 00:18:31,559 from the chapel was creating a tone on 463 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:32,520 its own 464 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:35,220 then slightly a few seconds later a 465 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,320 little bit more but we're less intense a 466 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:39,840 little quieter a fourth tone kicked off 467 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:41,940 so the chapel was actually producing two 468 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,280 tones on its own entirely on its own 469 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:46,080 based on the two frequencies that were 470 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:48,179 getting damaged by the computer and 471 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:50,760 getting generated by the um the guy 472 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,740 there and and the Crypt 473 00:18:57,289 --> 00:18:55,440 because when he stopped touring the two 474 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:57,299 overtones stopped instantly click they 475 00:19:02,510 --> 00:18:59,100 just switched off and all were left with 476 00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:02,520 with the sound coming from their laptop 477 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,860 then the medium one of the mediums is 478 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:06,000 that's about two millions of his 479 00:19:09,169 --> 00:19:07,140 employer fight 480 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:09,179 she turned and she said oh something's 481 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:10,260 happening over and over that said 482 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:11,520 Matthew alter 483 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:14,039 I said well like what but she said come 484 00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:15,900 on let's go so she stood with her back 485 00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:17,700 to the Altar and I'm standing by three 486 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:20,940 or four feet from her and suddenly the 487 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:22,580 space we were standing and went 488 00:19:28,970 --> 00:19:27,120 literally bitterly totally cold I mean 489 00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:28,980 it was it's never warm in the chapel but 490 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,500 but this was colder than colder this was 491 00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:33,600 boom cold you could put your hands out 492 00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:35,700 to one side and it's almost you were 493 00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,740 passing your hands through a barrier it 494 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:39,600 was worn on one side you'd do your hands 495 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:41,460 back and again and it was competitively 496 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:43,980 cold again so something was happening at 497 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:45,000 that point 498 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,820 so to be honest we didn't know what was 499 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:49,200 going to happen next and we kind of 500 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:51,780 panicked because because the thing was 501 00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:53,340 we were very well aware that the the 502 00:19:57,049 --> 00:19:55,320 trustees of the chapel were watching us 503 00:19:58,909 --> 00:19:57,059 and closed circuit TV because Chapel has 504 00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:58,919 that inside it they were watching us and 505 00:20:01,789 --> 00:20:00,059 I think we're starting to attract the 506 00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:01,799 interest so we had to shut the 507 00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:03,179 experiment down 508 00:20:09,289 --> 00:20:06,059 so we do know that there is a portal 509 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:09,299 there is a is a force in that Chapel 510 00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:10,919 right at that Altar and it can be 511 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:12,539 affected by different frequent by that 512 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:14,160 specific frequency because what we had 513 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,100 done also what created a whole set of 514 00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:18,720 frequencies to be used 515 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:21,179 some of them were actually based 516 00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:25,860 on the name Jesus we created Jesus we 517 00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:28,440 broke them down using a system called as 518 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:31,020 an ancient system system of divination 519 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:32,640 called gametria 520 00:20:37,789 --> 00:20:35,640 and we're actually attributed values 521 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,799 numerical values to the letters and we 522 00:20:44,289 --> 00:20:40,799 created frequencies based on there 523 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,490 equivalents were 373 Hertz 515 Hertz and 524 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:50,580 888 Hertz 525 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:52,980 we also produced a set of frequencies 526 00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:54,600 based on What's called the sulfadio 527 00:20:58,730 --> 00:20:56,940 frequencies because as well as the 528 00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:58,740 church Banning frequencies that also 529 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:00,900 encourage them now so Federal 530 00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:02,520 frequencies are what you get in 531 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,260 Gregorian chants which of course were 532 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:05,280 encouraged 533 00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:08,340 and they ranged everything from 396 534 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,919 Hertz up to 825 years but nothing 535 00:21:15,529 --> 00:21:13,200 particularly high frequency all low to 536 00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,539 medium frequencies but we never got a 537 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:17,039 chance to try these out to be honest 538 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:18,900 because we just didn't have the time 539 00:21:21,169 --> 00:21:20,340 it's as simple as that didn't have a 540 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:21,179 Time 541 00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:22,980 and the one was backing to do it again 542 00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:24,419 in my head 543 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:27,240 this is fascinating not only the cubes 544 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:31,260 and the the the hurts involved but also 545 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:34,500 the devil's cord F sharp C and A I mean 546 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:38,520 yep what an amazing find 547 00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:40,260 and Brian 548 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:41,820 oh yes go ahead 549 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,240 no you do you're okay okay 550 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:47,600 um let's talk about 551 00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:50,820 along these magical lines Aleister 552 00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:54,659 Crowley L Ron Hubbard Jack Parsons magic 553 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,900 dimensional portals and acclaim made by 554 00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,700 a secretive Group which has made the 555 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,280 statement we have in our midst a 556 00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:04,559 cold-hearted and Sinister intelligence 557 00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:07,559 of demonic Origins that masquerades as 558 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,380 alien a claim made by the group known as 559 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,080 the Collins Elite can you tell us more 560 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:15,179 about this group their connections to 561 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:17,880 power and reason for saying this 562 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,220 well yes I can I don't know so much 563 00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:21,840 about the connection to Crowley at 564 00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:24,720 Hubbard and and Jack Parsons but um I'm 565 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:26,580 well aware of them what they were up to 566 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:28,919 but the Collins Elite 567 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:29,880 um 568 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:32,700 they were a byproduct that camera came 569 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:35,700 to came to affiliate fruition in the 570 00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,580 1950s early it would be late to Mid 571 00:22:43,130 --> 00:22:41,039 1950s early 1960s 572 00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,140 it was when there were groups like The 573 00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,299 Robertson panel together to investigate 574 00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:48,000 UFOs for validity and just how real they 575 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:49,500 were because there is no doubt about it 576 00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:51,780 we are visited by 577 00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:56,820 crafts for whatever beings from not I 578 00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:59,640 think other planets or Star systems I 579 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,020 think there comes another Dimensions but 580 00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:03,480 that's an entire Weatherford subject but 581 00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,220 the columns Elite 582 00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,039 were formed that the name came as far as 583 00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:10,679 it is known from one of the members of 584 00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:11,820 that group 585 00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:14,039 and they were put together to try and 586 00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,159 come up with an agenda to come up with a 587 00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,620 rationale if you like an answer to the 588 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,900 year for a problem or issue he always 589 00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:23,880 say phenomena better 590 00:23:30,169 --> 00:23:27,659 and the trouble was they started with an 591 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:30,179 agenda a built-in agenda 592 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,480 now they were influenced if you like by 593 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:36,600 shall we say Evangelical Christians in 594 00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:38,360 in America 595 00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:42,120 and their agenda was they were not to 596 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,700 find that UFOs were I feel like craft 597 00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,159 crewed by by beings who actually visited 598 00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,919 us they were tasked to come out with it 599 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,299 was an explanation that said they were 600 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,580 demonic there was satanic and they were 601 00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,200 crude by demons 602 00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:00,720 and or Angels depending on which point 603 00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:03,299 of view you take so at this group that 604 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:05,159 was their task their sole task was to 605 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,740 find that UFOs were demonic in origin 606 00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:09,480 and it was defined it was to frighten 607 00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:11,580 off people from even looking at it but 608 00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,380 but that was to me it was absolutely a 609 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,539 ridiculous thing that to start off on 610 00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,340 that basis but here you're never going 611 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,200 to learn any truth if you started with 612 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:22,080 an agenda anyway so um yeah that's what 613 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,740 the the Collins elite were about 614 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,360 interesting and 615 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:29,700 you know it's so mysterious because when 616 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:32,820 it comes to religion they seem to keep 617 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,600 Secrets hidden away from the profane and 618 00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:38,940 The Seekers of knowledge and of all the 619 00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:41,340 mysteries in our world one of the most 620 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,299 mysterious if not the most mysterious is 621 00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:48,240 the secrets of the Vatican archives and 622 00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:49,640 this is 623 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,600 quite deeply in your book can you tell 624 00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,640 us a bit about the secrets of the 625 00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,860 Vatican archives and the items that are 626 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,960 rumored to be held there 627 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:03,840 well yeah what the point is the secret 628 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,640 archives that there are Vatican archives 629 00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:07,679 are members of The Secret archive 630 00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,740 the secret archives have been rumored to 631 00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:13,080 be consist of everything from laundry 632 00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,659 lists to shopping lists to all sorts of 633 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:17,340 things but 634 00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:19,320 they're not 635 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,159 um there are items in the secret archive 636 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,159 which are kept secret exceedingly so 637 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:28,080 because it has thought there's stuff in 638 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:28,919 there that would bring the whole 639 00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,840 Catholic Church crashing down in fact 640 00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:33,059 bring Christianity crashing down and 641 00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,299 fight disprove it but as far as what's 642 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,400 supposed to be there well unsurprisingly 643 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:40,620 one of the items that's there I suppose 644 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,080 was the bones of Saint Peter who was of 645 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,640 course the founder if you like Goldberg 646 00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:47,220 on this rock I build my church and that 647 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:48,779 that was crazy supposedly talking to 648 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,260 Saint Peter 649 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:54,120 seven scraps are born that were found 650 00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,760 there but they're so badly degraded they 651 00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,679 couldn't actually test them for DNA but 652 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,360 but they were proclaimed by I can't 653 00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,220 remember which pope he he decided that 654 00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,559 these were the bonuses and Peter so the 655 00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:06,179 world you'll be blessed if you like and 656 00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,179 they're they're stored there as as proof 657 00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:11,279 If you like of of the existence of the 658 00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:12,179 pizza 659 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,559 also 660 00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:16,799 the real subsequent Fatima is supposedly 661 00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:19,740 there because I know that the the three 662 00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,260 secrets that were revealed to the little 663 00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:24,659 girl were all supposedly revealed over 664 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:26,279 the years the third were not not all 665 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:27,900 that terribly long ago 666 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,600 has been the third seeker of Fatima but 667 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,400 that has thought to have been released 668 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,860 for public consumption because as you 669 00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:36,779 probably know the subsequent of Fatima 670 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,279 to do was the end of the Catholic church 671 00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,220 and in fact the end of humanity itself 672 00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,559 so that is one of the things that's 673 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:45,120 still hidden and the other thing is the 674 00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,860 real estate Platinum 675 00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:49,440 but oddly enough grimoires are 676 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:50,700 supposedly hidden there as well now 677 00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:52,260 grimoire as you probably know is a book 678 00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:54,900 of spells magic spells 679 00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:57,419 and the most notorious grimoire ever 680 00:27:01,850 --> 00:27:00,539 written was the the grammar of Pope 681 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:01,860 Norris the sub 682 00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:04,260 which is supposed to win the most evil 683 00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:07,740 work ever put to pen actually pen 684 00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:11,220 now it was thought that priests and 685 00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:13,020 popes whatever 686 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,419 were able to control demons because if 687 00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:17,460 they could if they could summon angels 688 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:18,779 if you like if they could summon The 689 00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:20,940 Godly person could also control of some 690 00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:23,460 of some of the non-godly satanic Birds 691 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:26,580 if you like and this book the uh the the 692 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,460 grimoire propane sub is also one of the 693 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,440 things among other grimoires that stored 694 00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,840 the way in the vaults of the Vatican 695 00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:35,520 archive 696 00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:39,720 I also Satan is supposed to be hidden 697 00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,659 either Corral down there or the corpse 698 00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,299 or the remains or even the live Satan is 699 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,059 supposed to be kept blocked down in in 700 00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:50,340 the Vatican archive although you can 701 00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:51,659 never prove any of this because you're 702 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:53,159 never getting to see it 703 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,260 but other things that are there in there 704 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,840 is a suppose you could deal with the 705 00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,760 science fiction here it's a thing called 706 00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:01,559 the chronoviser 707 00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,900 no it was it was a father emmetti who 708 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,640 was a physicist at supposedly one of the 709 00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:08,100 priest actually built this thing it's a 710 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,640 device to look into the past 711 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,480 um 712 00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:14,580 the sports have seen the crucifixion of 713 00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:16,260 Christ on it all sorts of things I mean 714 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,140 you can Google all this stuff Google 715 00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:20,580 chronovital you'll actually see what 716 00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,720 this thing actually looked like it was 717 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,460 like a TV setting us at the top of a 718 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,340 small pedestal I mean if it was there to 719 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,200 be seen and it's supposed to be made 720 00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,760 with his father and Matthew are created 721 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,200 by this father and met him amongst 722 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:33,360 others and that's what it's designed to 723 00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:35,220 do is look at the past 724 00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,880 but um also um 725 00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:40,799 proof of extraterrestrial life is 726 00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,020 supposed to be in their conclusive proof 727 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:45,539 of 80 because don't forget that the 728 00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:46,860 vaticans get a couple of pretty 729 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:50,340 impressive um observatories because they 730 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,900 spend quite a lot of time looking at the 731 00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,520 stars although why they would do this is 732 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,039 not clear but they certainly spend a lot 733 00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:57,360 of time in it but but these are just 734 00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:58,679 some of the things that supposed to be 735 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:02,520 hidden away in in the Vatican art style 736 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,480 what a secretive place and one that none 737 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:08,700 of us most likely or very few of us will 738 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:10,980 ever be able to really know 739 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:14,820 and another spooky and horrific mystery 740 00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,120 covered in your book are the horrors of 741 00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:20,460 plagues both ancient oh yeah yeah yeah 742 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,299 yeah yeah and modern yeah yeah yeah can 743 00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,399 you and how they were dealt with namely 744 00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,679 yeah the horrors of plague ghosts can 745 00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,659 you explain to listeners what play 746 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:32,820 ghosts are and the horrific history 747 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,340 behind them okay 748 00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,500 well I came up with the title of play 749 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:39,299 ghosts because 750 00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:40,740 I 751 00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,659 particular chapter it was based on what 752 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,419 went on when covid-19 hit and there were 753 00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:51,299 people dying of droves and where are 754 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,919 they going to bury the corpses what is 755 00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:55,440 the thing that occurred to me because 756 00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,520 in the 757 00:30:02,269 --> 00:29:58,919 specifically concentrated in two areas 758 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,279 one an ancient plague which affected you 759 00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,559 know the UK and Britain and because it 760 00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:06,899 was Scotland and it was actually a place 761 00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,779 called the covenantes prison 762 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,299 and gray fairs cooked out as a 763 00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,039 churchyard in Edinburgh but the other 764 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:16,500 one the one when I'll talk about first 765 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,740 is heart Island which is just an area of 766 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:21,360 the Bronx in New York it's on the Hudson 767 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,860 River Hudson 768 00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,960 and this was originally used if you like 769 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:27,179 as a Potter's field of sorts now if 770 00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:28,500 anyone doesn't know what a Potter's 771 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,380 field is it was people who couldn't 772 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:33,240 afford to be buried or couldn't afford 773 00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,559 to bury themselves or if their family 774 00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:36,480 couldn't afford everybody kind of have 775 00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,899 them buried then the the local Authority 776 00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,640 whoever happened to be they couldn't 777 00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:43,860 have corpse was lying about so they 778 00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,779 would have to bury them that this was no 779 00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,580 five-star burial by any means it was 780 00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,799 just some area ground that that was 781 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:51,299 common ground that wasn't used for 782 00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:58,430 guess whatever it happened to be now 783 00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,620 half Ireland has become if you like a 784 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,120 sort of a 785 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:05,640 a very made Potter's grave Potter's 786 00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:06,480 field 787 00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:09,539 um because it's it's isolated I mean 788 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:10,919 you've got to get a boat out you can't 789 00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,600 sort of swim out or I don't know that's 790 00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:14,220 got to be a proper boat trip to get 791 00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:15,240 there 792 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:16,620 and 793 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:19,380 a lot of the Dead in New York 794 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,960 who can't afford the video I buried on 795 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,480 heart Island and it's getting more and 796 00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:26,880 more through all the time it used to 797 00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:30,120 have a female uh you know a psychiatric 798 00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:32,460 asylum on there it's been used as a 799 00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,419 prison 800 00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,880 and fight earlier on it was years of 801 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,559 prison for prisoners during the the the 802 00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:40,260 Civil War the southern 803 00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,700 prisoners were taken up their own 804 00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,340 character he said on on a half Thailand 805 00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:45,779 for a lot of them died and trying to 806 00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:47,159 fight but they were they were buried 807 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:48,179 there as well 808 00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,799 and there's been news for the whole 809 00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,360 purpose of things for yet you needed 810 00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,799 isolation and you can't get more 811 00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:55,080 isolated than that than a an island in 812 00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:57,240 the middle of a large river 813 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,740 and you could only go out there by 814 00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:01,200 official boat you can get to book your 815 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,340 journey 816 00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:04,140 so people would know who was going there 817 00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,360 but people who have been to Heart Island 818 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,760 again you can Google all this and have a 819 00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,440 look you can actually see the place it's 820 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:12,299 not a pleasant place I can assure you 821 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:14,220 but um 822 00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:17,940 people have seen these seen things while 823 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,559 they've been there usually when it's 824 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,320 Misty they'll see bodies in the Mist 825 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,760 coming towards them but when they 826 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:25,740 concentrate on them they will disappear 827 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,260 but it's not the people at the time who 828 00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,760 see these things it's people who have 829 00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,919 been there it's almost just to take 830 00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:33,779 stuff back with them 831 00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:35,940 and they take it home with them 832 00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,279 and people have had that have woken up 833 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:40,020 Screaming in the Night that they've seen 834 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,700 these things coming out the Mist at them 835 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,100 in their dreams so it's almost whatever 836 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,559 Spirits are on heart Island can attach 837 00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:48,720 themselves to you if there's a wish and 838 00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:51,299 come home with you but heart island is 839 00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,059 supposed supposedly abundantly haunted I 840 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:56,399 wanted location and this carries over as 841 00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:57,779 they were saying ever into Edinburgh 842 00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,299 undercover Hunter's prison because 843 00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:02,039 I've been in the covenanters prison 844 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:03,539 several times 845 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,200 um 846 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,140 it's not a building as such it's part of 847 00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:09,840 where fires churchyard in Edinburgh 848 00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,620 and it's a strip of grown uh maybe 100 849 00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,559 meters long maybe 10 meters wide yeah 850 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,019 but how about that about that and both 851 00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:21,840 sides aligned with with Mausoleum small 852 00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,419 mausoleums the bodies intended to be 853 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,059 buried 854 00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,559 um a couple of them most of them don't 855 00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:31,080 have roofs on them but they look so long 856 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,039 gone 857 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,840 but our couple still have and they're 858 00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:35,820 still used they believe occasionally 859 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,580 but the thing the odd thing about this 860 00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:40,320 particular location is the number of 861 00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:42,360 cops is very there 862 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,299 is it was designed safer I don't know 863 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,640 just say for a figure five thousand 864 00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:49,679 but this place is thought to be one of 865 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,380 the biggest boneyards in Europe 866 00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:54,240 it's ranked a bit we've got a half a 867 00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:56,760 million people buried in in the cemetery 868 00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,880 and the thing is so stuffed with corpses 869 00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,559 and the remains have got a lot of bodies 870 00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,720 is that occasionally the bones will 871 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,279 percolate to the surface and that 872 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,440 happened one time we're investigating 873 00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:10,320 there was a human thigh bone lying in 874 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,839 one of the one in one of the open 875 00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:14,520 um mausoleums 876 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,580 and um as I told the guy who had let us 877 00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,200 in because they always send someone to 878 00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,599 keep an eye on what you're doing and 879 00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,879 yeah and and he said oh yeah yeah we'll 880 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,280 get that buried so it made a note and a 881 00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:27,599 little you made a note and stuff from 882 00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,359 that he said it will be in re-entered 883 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,639 but people 884 00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,460 it's also an area that's frequented as 885 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,560 you would imagine by the cities two or 886 00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,899 three ghost tours that actually operate 887 00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,879 with it within the city and obviously 888 00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,500 the Covenant as president is what one of 889 00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:45,599 the better areas because it's extremely 890 00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,599 atmospheric did I show you again all 891 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:50,159 googleable you can check all this in 892 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:51,000 Google 893 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,740 um and have a look at the place at least 894 00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:54,060 if nothing else 895 00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,460 but people have been attacked 896 00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,619 they said it was by the Mackenzie 897 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:00,000 Poltergeist 898 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,460 name from a judge judgment 899 00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:08,160 it was called bloody McKenzie because he 900 00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:10,820 was a judge who suddenly 901 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,339 relished the opportunity to send the 902 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:15,720 covenanters 903 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,060 to the gallus because the Covenant was 904 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,160 back in the back in the day 905 00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,079 they're saying the Covenant that they 906 00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:23,640 weren't going to accept the English 907 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,520 version of of the the religion they 908 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,680 played the Protestant religion that they 909 00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,420 would prefer their own and they'll 910 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,099 preferred to go down fighting to do it 911 00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,900 and this could this caused the cover 912 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,880 anti-wars there were a couple of them 913 00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,440 hundreds and thousands of people that 914 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,720 killed but the people who were captured 915 00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:41,760 get stuck in this this prison which is 916 00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:43,140 why it's called the governance prison 917 00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:44,700 and it's only an open stuff around 918 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,099 there's not any any roof there's no war 919 00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,200 was nothing it's just a super ground and 920 00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:50,880 this is where the captain and this a lot 921 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,140 of them died before they even got to 922 00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,660 trial but this didn't bother Mackenzie 923 00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,520 bloody McKenzie who just quite happy 924 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,619 considering like The Gallows anyway and 925 00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,540 that place has also the output it was 926 00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,220 super green not so much the rest of the 927 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,859 cemetery but the covenantes prison is 928 00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:06,839 also pretty they were comprehensively 929 00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:08,300 hunted 930 00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,660 very interesting and your book of 931 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:15,720 secrets delves into so many Mysteries 932 00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,540 that it would be impossible to cover 933 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,240 them all also on a slightly separate 934 00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:23,880 note I'm Blown Away by not just this 935 00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,280 book but other books you have written 936 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:28,980 one of those is the deception of Gods 937 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,680 and Men 938 00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,880 you wrote that with our mutual 939 00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:35,160 acquaintance Barry Fitzgerald not if 940 00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,780 it's gentled yeah in fact I was talking 941 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:38,460 to Buddy on Skype a couple of days ago 942 00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,119 but over in contact and that that is a 943 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,160 book that I had him on the podcast 944 00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,079 discussing and I want to highly 945 00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,599 recommend it as well to listeners so a 946 00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:51,060 little bit of a tangent there but your 947 00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:53,099 book of secrets delves into so many 948 00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,660 Mysteries that yes it would be 949 00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:57,300 impossible to cover them all another 950 00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:00,660 topic you cover and I'm glad you did was 951 00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,500 time travel and Al uh and the Montague 952 00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:06,540 project can you explain to listeners 953 00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,820 what Al and I believe of his brother 954 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:10,619 experienced 955 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:14,880 well I'll buy like and his brother the 956 00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:18,720 the both claim to have traveled in time 957 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:22,260 um myself I'm always a bit 958 00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:24,780 Twitchy about time travel 959 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,940 um and point of fact 960 00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,000 I was sent uh I sent a film to review a 961 00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:32,700 DVD and it was a TV series of the 12 962 00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:33,720 Monkeys I don't know if you ever 963 00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,640 remember that which is about indirectly 964 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,859 time travel but 965 00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,599 um yeah it's quite a fascinating 966 00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,280 fascinating serious fascinating filming 967 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,740 point of fact but um Bruce Willis is in 968 00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:45,240 the film I think Brad Pitt was in it as 969 00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,500 well but um Buick and and and and the 970 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,359 whole thing about time travel well the 971 00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,700 Montauk project I think that's off New 972 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,560 York isn't it it's the one that I always 973 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,660 close to New York I think Montauk yeah 974 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:00,240 oh yeah yeah well the whole Montauk 975 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,260 project is based on 976 00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:05,940 Concepts scientific Concepts that are 977 00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:07,880 way out there 978 00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:11,040 the suppose I've had a chair and part of 979 00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,780 it and this was part of the setup that 980 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,940 people could be put in this chair and as 981 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,680 far as I can get make out it wasn't 982 00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:20,160 physical transportation in time it was 983 00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:22,859 mental I feel like yeah mental 984 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,839 Consciousness getting transferred from 985 00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,359 time but what this managed to do I 986 00:38:32,530 --> 00:38:29,940 believe was pulling some creature that 987 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:32,540 that ended up on the island 988 00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,640 and um 989 00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,160 this creature is supposedly still out 990 00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:40,619 there and that has been seen supposedly 991 00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:43,560 by people but but all the claim that 992 00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:44,820 there's nothing to be seen there you 993 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,960 know that nothing to see here guys 994 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,060 nothing to say here it's certainly 995 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,680 locked off and they don't encourage 996 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,359 visitors but any man that means of 997 00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,760 anyone caught in the grounds is given 998 00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:56,220 very short shift and shown the exit very 999 00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,140 quickly and told not to come back 1000 00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,480 because it is dialect lately that there 1001 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,400 is stuff still on The Islander on 1002 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:05,160 Montauk that is highly classified in the 1003 00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,540 door and people messing with it because 1004 00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,460 I think what they did was that they 1005 00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,619 opened a door where they couldn't shut 1006 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,480 and I think that that is a very 1007 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,700 dangerous thing to do because this is 1008 00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,800 why I always implore people I gave up 1009 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:18,599 ghost hunting years ago because I got 1010 00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,780 too many fights with it dangerous fights 1011 00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:24,000 um because it reminds me of a sand by 1012 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:26,099 Wilhelm nature which which goes a bit 1013 00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:28,380 like this it goes battle note was 1014 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,359 Monsters lest you become a monster but 1015 00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:32,700 the important part is and if you gaze 1016 00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:34,980 into the abyss the abyss gauges also 1017 00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,099 into you and trust me it does 1018 00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:40,140 because once you start messing with this 1019 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,540 sort of thing you start to mess with 1020 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,700 things that would rather you didn't 1021 00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,500 and they will make it if you get too 1022 00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:48,300 close to them they'll make it very clear 1023 00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,740 that they're going to smack your wrist 1024 00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:53,040 and warn you because if you don't they 1025 00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:55,020 can make it very very hard for you and I 1026 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,940 have no doubt of this whatsoever because 1027 00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,800 I've experienced it firsthand I know 1028 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:00,720 what they can do 1029 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:03,900 this is so very true I can't I cannot 1030 00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:06,960 impress that enough among our listeners 1031 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,020 because I I've seen this myself not only 1032 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,300 in my own life but other people as well 1033 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:14,160 that's good you stopped ghost hunting 1034 00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:17,820 Brian and another mystery that 1035 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,280 absolutely has to be covered which is 1036 00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:22,920 mentioned in your book is the question 1037 00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,420 of our past how did our ancestors manage 1038 00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,300 to so long ago and without the use of 1039 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,520 modern construction techniques and heavy 1040 00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,280 equipment build our pyramids can we go 1041 00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,619 into that Enigma a little bit 1042 00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:40,079 a little bit perhaps because you're 1043 00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,660 looking at programs of the stuff here 1044 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:44,640 yes really well yeah yeah but the whole 1045 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,700 thing with the pyramids is I I think and 1046 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,960 I've thought that for many years now 1047 00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,880 that I think we underestimate what 1048 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,339 ancestors were capable of because they 1049 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,920 weren't stupid let's face it once by no 1050 00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:56,940 means stupid 1051 00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:00,960 and they did things just by sheer grunt 1052 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,140 if you like Bashir Manpower and ropes 1053 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,660 some of it they did some of it I very 1054 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,400 much doubt 1055 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:09,359 um 1056 00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,640 there are a thousand ton blocks is at 1057 00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,740 balbec now yeah I think of a balbec 1058 00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,660 they're like thousand ton blocks of 1059 00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,579 stone that have been set in place now 1060 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:18,960 how they did that 1061 00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,020 um I don't think a thousand men with a 1062 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,760 thousand ropes could do that 1063 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,560 I think that did a little bit of help 1064 00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:27,119 somewhere no 1065 00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,839 I do believe that I've had the 1066 00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:33,060 techniques involving Sonics okay 1067 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,320 vibration 1068 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:37,200 again get back to frequency 1069 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,940 um because let's face it everything 1070 00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,800 based in frequency irrespective of what 1071 00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,839 it is the TV set I'm looking at the TV 1072 00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:44,579 monitor I'm looking at the keyboard in 1073 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,720 front of it they're all based on 1074 00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,280 frequency of what else at some point 1075 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,900 every component in them is decent 1076 00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:49,920 frequency 1077 00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:54,000 so I think I've heard tell that 1078 00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:56,040 when they were setting these vast blocks 1079 00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,380 into place that the local Shaman as well 1080 00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,240 of what they would pass as a shaman what 1081 00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,280 we would call a shaman would come up 1082 00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:04,859 with a rod or something and the tap the 1083 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,119 stone 1084 00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:08,820 and this created this this stuff is a 1085 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,339 stone vibrating okay and they started to 1086 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,920 oscillate very very quickly and it 1087 00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:16,020 almost overcome the inertia of the stone 1088 00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,700 that could felt that could actually 1089 00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,740 shift the stone around and move around 1090 00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:22,260 row it it wasn't easy but relatively 1091 00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:24,060 easily at least they could move it and 1092 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,740 once we've got a set into place fairly 1093 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:27,300 neat when that was exactly where they 1094 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,500 wanted it to be 1095 00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,660 the Shimmer has come up again and thing 1096 00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,000 it was straight the stone again and this 1097 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,280 would settle out it was shut down the 1098 00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,720 vibration and the thing was sort of set 1099 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:38,880 down and it become this thousand ton 1100 00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,200 block of stone that was in effect 1101 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,599 immovable but by humans they're 1102 00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,640 respective of how many there were but 1103 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,560 who's actually lifted these things is 1104 00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:49,200 another kitler fish I'm not sure about 1105 00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:50,760 um but I suspect it was a lot to do with 1106 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,579 vibration and frequency as well as a 1107 00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:56,220 sufficiently reduce the vibration and 1108 00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:57,660 frequency of these blocks of stone they 1109 00:43:01,490 --> 00:43:00,359 could be lifted with a bit I mean you 1110 00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:01,500 need a lot of people to do it but it 1111 00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,540 could nevertheless be lifted and set in 1112 00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,700 place again then if you like shut down 1113 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,640 and then the vibrational cease and the 1114 00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:10,440 receipt themselves down again so I'm 1115 00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,819 pretty sure that that was a lot to do 1116 00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:12,800 with it 1117 00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:17,099 yes there is so much mystery surrounding 1118 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:21,119 that wild theories the way they are all 1119 00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:24,780 positioned there's so much to that and a 1120 00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,300 very difficult topic that you manage to 1121 00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:29,460 tackle which was also difficult in your 1122 00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:33,000 book of secrets is the sacred Ark of the 1123 00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,180 Covenant oh yeah yeah 1124 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,760 um as far as listeners are concerned I 1125 00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,040 know a lot many people don't even know 1126 00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,200 what it might be can you explain to 1127 00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:45,960 listeners what was the ark of the 1128 00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:48,660 covenant What Might it be and a bit 1129 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,319 about it though biblically the the Ark 1130 00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:54,780 of the Covenant is a specific size 1131 00:44:02,290 --> 00:43:59,339 it was designed as far as I know to to 1132 00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,300 attack a a receptacle a hold of 1133 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,920 documentation relating to the 1134 00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:07,140 information that was received by Moses 1135 00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:09,300 from God as far as I remember 1136 00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:12,060 but I think it was rather more than that 1137 00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,140 I think 1138 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:15,420 the way it was constructed to the 1139 00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,700 specific uh Dimensions it was 1140 00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,000 constructed and the fact that it was um 1141 00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,819 made of specific materials almost like a 1142 00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,619 capacitor 1143 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,140 I think it was an electrical device of 1144 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,060 some kind I think it was a machine 1145 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:33,180 and it was designed to do something I 1146 00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,700 know that people supposedly got killed 1147 00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:37,440 they're going too close to it when they 1148 00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,760 weren't supposed to 1149 00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:41,099 but um I think the Ark of the Covenant 1150 00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,319 although the biblical the Bible talks 1151 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:45,119 about it as being a reciprocal as being 1152 00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:46,440 a receptacle 1153 00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:48,180 I think it was rather more than that I 1154 00:44:52,089 --> 00:44:49,020 think it might have been a 1155 00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:52,099 Communications device as well 1156 00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:57,240 yes it's it's it very likely and one of 1157 00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:00,380 my favorite mysterious people 1158 00:45:08,349 --> 00:45:04,859 was covered in your book of secrets and 1159 00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:08,359 that's a person who goes by many 1160 00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,000 nicknames and uh was involved with 1161 00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:14,880 non-lethal weaponry and that is Colonel 1162 00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:22,430 yeah Colonel Alexander yeah yeah yeah 1163 00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,220 um a little along the tie up the guy was 1164 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,720 called up to active service in 1165 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:29,040 Afghanistan 1166 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,660 it was there for a number of months it 1167 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,460 was to do with interviewing Technic 1168 00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,140 shall we say 1169 00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:36,960 um his claim to fame I believe was 1170 00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,099 sticky form 1171 00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:39,599 it was one of the known missile 1172 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:40,859 technologies that they were actually 1173 00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,800 actually had produced maybe it wasn't 1174 00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,900 instead of shooting people killing them 1175 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,060 you sprayed them with a sticky foam 1176 00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:50,160 which it was a bit like the kind of foam 1177 00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,140 Builders use in some respect that once 1178 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,760 it goes out it comes out comes out 1179 00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,560 initially and a fairly small volume 1180 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,140 they're rapidly expands 1181 00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,180 there's like an expanding form that was 1182 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,220 sticky and you could literally wrap 1183 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,319 people up in this stuff and they just 1184 00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,760 couldn't move I think there was some 1185 00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,740 sort of solvent used to get it off but 1186 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:09,240 that was one of these things with a 1187 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,160 sticky film but Alexander 1188 00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:14,700 he's been involved in Stargate his he 1189 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,339 was involved I'm trying to remember that 1190 00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,400 the Hutchinson the Hutchinson Effect I 1191 00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:22,020 think I have yet I think you've heard of 1192 00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,319 that yeah yeah okay well I believe 1193 00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:27,119 Colonel Alexander was one of the people 1194 00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,680 who ended up in Canada 1195 00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:30,660 looking at what John Hutchison claimed 1196 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,960 to have discovered in his laboratory 1197 00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:36,420 and the thing about that whole thing was 1198 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:38,940 that they took a set of readings in his 1199 00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:40,140 Laboratories they've got as much 1200 00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,579 information as they could and and 1201 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,980 Alexander included they wouldn't tell on 1202 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,300 what they'd found they said it was 1203 00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:46,560 classified 1204 00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,839 now the the even the Canadian government 1205 00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,940 investigated what I just was up there 1206 00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:52,260 and even they said what the founders 1207 00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,359 classified so I just never actually 1208 00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,280 found out what he had going there but 1209 00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,800 you can guarantee delivery had they were 1210 00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,540 gonna they were going to weaponize it if 1211 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,800 they possibly could 1212 00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,780 and if because that's what governments 1213 00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:05,940 and you know defense departments do if 1214 00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,140 they can find something new that they 1215 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:09,180 can weaponize they can and we'll do it 1216 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:12,540 so uh yeah basically 1217 00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,140 um Colonel John Alexander he has been 1218 00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,540 involved in a lot of stuff highly secret 1219 00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:20,579 you will never actually find out what 1220 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:21,780 you've been involved in but you could 1221 00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:23,220 but you can guarantee it'll be pretty 1222 00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:27,660 esoteric absolutely guaranteed yes he he 1223 00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:30,859 does seem to have that mysterious 1224 00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,140 Persona and Alexander was also as you 1225 00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:36,119 said a part of so much he was a part of 1226 00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,500 mids you know uh which was Bigelow yeah 1227 00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,839 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so the thing 1228 00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,119 was I was once in an email contact with 1229 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,400 Colonel Alexander I wish he was decent 1230 00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,200 enough to return the emails 1231 00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:51,480 and I did ask him about what was going 1232 00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:54,839 on or what was the Hutchison effect 1233 00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,480 and he said that the effects were micro 1234 00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,880 rather than micro because it was but it 1235 00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,500 wouldn't be drawn on it I have to 1236 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:03,599 elaborate no he wasn't having it in the 1237 00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:09,890 but the thing was it it got to a stage 1238 00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,579 where I just stopped emailing because it 1239 00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:14,160 was just it was just block it it was 1240 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:15,540 just blocking me and I said it would 1241 00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:17,339 just block it it obviously wasn't going 1242 00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,780 to talk and he wasn't going to talk 1243 00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,040 about and he still wasn't going to talk 1244 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:22,440 now because that guy carries so much in 1245 00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,300 his head that people would love to know 1246 00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:26,720 what that guy's worked on 1247 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,599 yes he is an enigma and 1248 00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:33,119 kind of going along those same lines 1249 00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:35,220 your book also tackles the difficult 1250 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,800 subject of psychic Warfare and there's 1251 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:39,660 no doubt this happens in the 1252 00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,780 intelligence agencies yep what what is 1253 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,700 your experience with that and what could 1254 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:47,760 you uh tell listeners about that 1255 00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,940 well this whole thing 1256 00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,380 I don't know if you remember a book 1257 00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,420 called the man who stared at Goats okay 1258 00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,640 that was that was John Ronson's but a 1259 00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:58,200 nice guy John 1260 00:49:02,210 --> 00:48:59,400 um 1261 00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:02,220 this was psychic Warfare and the whole 1262 00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,579 concept of that was to weaponize thought 1263 00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:08,640 for one of a better work that they 1264 00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,859 wanted people to be able to stop us you 1265 00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:12,300 know they wanted someone to stop the 1266 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:14,040 heart of any given person that was was 1267 00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:15,660 pointed out I wanted to stop their 1268 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,599 hearts or kill them in other words 1269 00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,359 and they did this you know using goats 1270 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,160 initially at Fort mid 1271 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,200 um I wrote to Fort Meade once about this 1272 00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,599 and just got an answer nothing happened 1273 00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:29,220 here mate nothing happened to you you 1274 00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,560 know but um yeah but they had the goat 1275 00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:34,140 Labs set up in front of mid and not 20 1276 00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:35,640 or 30 ago was there they'd been 1277 00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,560 de-blitted she always say because they 1278 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,180 didn't want to upset people with the 1279 00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,319 human eyes 1280 00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:42,480 but um they used to do all sorts of 1281 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,560 things these goats they would break 1282 00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:45,000 their legs and all the rest of them have 1283 00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,560 soldiers come and then patch them up 1284 00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,720 they use them for Battlefield training 1285 00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:50,819 if you want but one of the other 1286 00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:53,819 factions of it was they selected various 1287 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,220 soldiers who claimed to have a thought 1288 00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:57,960 that psychic abilities 1289 00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,460 and they took them along to the goat 1290 00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:01,619 labs and they had them to try and kill 1291 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,740 these goats by staring at it 1292 00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,960 and to the best of the knowledge none of 1293 00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:08,579 the soldiers could actually do it but 1294 00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,020 they did have I mean there are a lot of 1295 00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,760 people were involved the Stargate was 1296 00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:14,040 also in on the same the same site I 1297 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:16,680 believe Stargate project but but the 1298 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,060 goat loves there was something a bit 1299 00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:19,980 special because 1300 00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,380 some of the people who had there they 1301 00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:24,420 found that the person that could do this 1302 00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,800 was not in fact a soldier 1303 00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,720 his name well it's in the book so I can 1304 00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:32,099 I guess I can give his name and the guy 1305 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,020 was Guy civelli 1306 00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:36,240 and he has thought to have been able to 1307 00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:39,480 stop I I go its heart by just wishing it 1308 00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:40,200 so 1309 00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,119 and they tried to weaponize that but 1310 00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,339 they found the whole thing a lot 1311 00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,500 appeared to work and he did it more than 1312 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,760 once 1313 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:49,920 they couldn't weaponize it to make it 1314 00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:52,140 sufficiently reliable to use as a tool 1315 00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:53,099 for what 1316 00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,140 so the whole thing was given up in fact 1317 00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,559 the whole Stargate project was wound up 1318 00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,660 officially because they said it wasn't 1319 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,119 reliable enough and the Pentagon wasn't 1320 00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:04,920 like a bottomless bit of money that 1321 00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:07,079 appears to be and they didn't want to be 1322 00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:08,220 throwing money at something they 1323 00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:10,020 couldn't rely on 1324 00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:11,819 so the whole Stargate project was 1325 00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:15,540 allegedly written off and stopped but I 1326 00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:16,980 personally don't think that is the case 1327 00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:19,740 I think that Stargate does work 1328 00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,380 and I think it depending on how how it 1329 00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,140 works then this aspects of it can be 1330 00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:27,180 used and I think still are used but but 1331 00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:28,980 that's purely personal thinking because 1332 00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,559 anything that could give give to the US 1333 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,020 military an edge or any military and age 1334 00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,660 because I know here in the UK that they 1335 00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,400 had an equivalent of Stargate going on 1336 00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:41,280 as well although with the British 1337 00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,559 obsession with secrecy you'd never get 1338 00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,140 to know one way or another but um 1339 00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,960 fortunately in America because of the 1340 00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,760 way your system works you you put your 1341 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,319 political system works that these things 1342 00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:53,940 tend to get out eventually because 1343 00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,559 you'll get a bushel Board of some sort 1344 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,119 of likely start rebuilding it to the 1345 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,240 public so yeah I'm pretty sure that 1346 00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:02,460 Stargate was efficient and although it 1347 00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:04,260 was officially shut down I don't think 1348 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:06,119 it was I think it still goes it's got 1349 00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,980 under another name I'm pretty sure 1350 00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:09,900 Stargate still works and remote viewing 1351 00:52:16,329 --> 00:52:13,319 still works I I agree I don't believe 1352 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:16,339 Stargate was stopped either maybe 1353 00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,160 repackaged renamed or manned by other 1354 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,040 operatives but I couldn't agree more and 1355 00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,619 lastly uh another difficult topic that 1356 00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,480 your book of secrets covers is 1357 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,480 psychotronic Warfare mind controlled MK 1358 00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,760 Ultra and Dr you and Cameron can we 1359 00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,740 discuss that just a bit 1360 00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,079 yeah well you encounter 1361 00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:40,079 to my shame was born although that far 1362 00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:41,720 away from where to live in plain effect 1363 00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:44,940 but what you and Kevin was doing I think 1364 00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:48,059 was absolutely disgraceful 1365 00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,660 um 1366 00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:50,400 you know the year it was doing it on 1367 00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:52,140 behalf at the behest of the U.S 1368 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:54,180 intelligence services and he was doing 1369 00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,260 it in Canada 1370 00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:57,240 so the U.S intelligence could see it 1371 00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,740 quite legitimately there's not been done 1372 00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,000 in their country nothing to do with us 1373 00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:03,180 but it was and what Callum was up to he 1374 00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:05,160 was trying to develop 1375 00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:06,000 um 1376 00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,700 techniques if you like to to deep 1377 00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:11,700 pattern people to reprogram their brains 1378 00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:13,859 and he was doing this with a mixture of 1379 00:53:18,250 --> 00:53:16,140 psychedelic chemicals 1380 00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:18,260 it was doing it by 1381 00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,760 randomly unconscious for weeks at a time 1382 00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:23,160 pumping them full of psychedelics all 1383 00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,140 sorts of stuff and he was trying to 1384 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,359 de-patten every sort of available 1385 00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:29,940 thought these people had and when they 1386 00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:31,740 were brought out of this 1387 00:53:37,309 --> 00:53:34,920 and just transfer whatever better 1388 00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,319 they had to be taught how to use a 1389 00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,720 toilet that they were nappies for you 1390 00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,119 know you know the napkins that there 1391 00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,680 were nothing napkins for a while because 1392 00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:45,300 they were literally you know going all 1393 00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:46,260 over the place because they couldn't 1394 00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:47,819 help themselves they didn't know how to 1395 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,700 not not do it not to be patterned and 1396 00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:53,040 retrained and this was the idea to 1397 00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:55,619 create if you like the perfect Soldier 1398 00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,660 the perfect assassin if you want there's 1399 00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:59,640 other way the Manchurian candidates but 1400 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:01,500 if you remember that film will it will 1401 00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:02,760 it will the North Koreans are supposed 1402 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,740 to have done this to an American Soldier 1403 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:07,440 or whatever but um yeah you remember the 1404 00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:08,160 film 1405 00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:11,880 but um I think they persisted with us 1406 00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:14,040 but they found out what was happening 1407 00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,099 was that they couldn't fully eliminate 1408 00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:19,440 the original personality and a rigid and 1409 00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,140 eventually in spite of all the departing 1410 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:24,720 and reprogramming that went on the the 1411 00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:26,940 original personality wouldn't fight a 1412 00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,099 re-emerge at some point and it would say 1413 00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,680 taken over and drive out this official 1414 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,720 official sorry artificial Personnel 1415 00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,180 they've been ingrained in the person and 1416 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:38,280 they could come back and be that the 1417 00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:40,520 person that had been but again 1418 00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,220 militaries and opinions that militaries 1419 00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,980 I suppose are very pragmatic about this 1420 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,380 sort of thing and they will do anything 1421 00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:51,839 that they think is going to help the 1422 00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,579 government and help their country and 1423 00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:55,380 save their country and I can't say it 1424 00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,240 all together blame them for that because 1425 00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:58,920 it's what they're supposed to do it's 1426 00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:59,880 what they're trying to do is what 1427 00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:02,099 they're paid to do for their mistake but 1428 00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:04,980 uh I also think that um 1429 00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:07,980 human beings do have an alien an 1430 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:11,160 alienable inalienable rights and I don't 1431 00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:12,780 think it's right to do that to people to 1432 00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:14,280 completely destroy them and try and 1433 00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:17,339 rebuild them another pattern so 1434 00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,500 it's a yes and no thing I understand why 1435 00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:20,880 they're doing it but I don't agree with 1436 00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:22,020 it 1437 00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:24,180 I couldn't agree more there should be 1438 00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:27,180 some lines in the sand that should not 1439 00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:30,960 be crossed and lastly thank you so much 1440 00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:33,420 for coming on the podcast with me we had 1441 00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:34,319 some 1442 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:36,839 scheduling woes and you were very 1443 00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:39,720 cordial and you worked with me very much 1444 00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:42,540 and I appreciate that Brian this is such 1445 00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,819 a great book such a great contribution 1446 00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,980 to those of us who are interested in 1447 00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:49,920 these topics and it's so well packaged 1448 00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:52,140 cleanly written as I said and put into 1449 00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,220 context where is the best place folks 1450 00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,859 can purchase your book and keep up with 1451 00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,720 your work and efforts 1452 00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:03,839 well as as they're only looking or for 1453 00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,900 the book itself which is Booker Secrets 1454 00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:08,460 um aliens ghosts and ancient Mysteries 1455 00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:10,800 it's published by flying this press and 1456 00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:12,119 it's certainly available on Amazon 1457 00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:13,980 absolutely guaranteed it's available on 1458 00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,140 Amazon as a Kindle order or as a hard 1459 00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,200 copy or as a paperback it's available in 1460 00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:20,640 all these but as far as I'm concerned 1461 00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:23,220 I'm up to well especially with with the 1462 00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:25,500 magazine uh 1463 00:56:31,569 --> 00:56:28,920 um phenomenon magazine if they just type 1464 00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,579 and you know going into that 1465 00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:34,160 www.phenomena magazine 011 1466 00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:36,680 magazine.com 1467 00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,059 then we'll get to the magazine but for 1468 00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,220 me rather than give out my website it's 1469 00:56:47,049 --> 00:56:43,740 simple if you just type in Brian Allen b 1470 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:47,059 r i a n a double l a n 1471 00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:50,400 paranormal or Brian Allen UFO you're 1472 00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:51,900 guaranteed to find me because I'm all 1473 00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,140 over the place on the net to my shame oh 1474 00:57:00,589 --> 00:56:57,540 it's great you're you're such a great 1475 00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,599 author with I think over 14 books and 1476 00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,880 you've delved into so many of the of the 1477 00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,220 mysteries of our time can't thank you 1478 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,680 enough Brian thanks for coming on 1479 00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:09,119 you're more than welcome and God bless 1480 00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:10,380 you thank you very much for having me 1481 00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:13,740 Ryan thank you Book of Secrets 1482 00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:17,819 aliens ghosts and ancient Mysteries well 1483 00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:21,900 there we have it my gosh Brian Allen 1484 00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,280 what a talented author over 14 books 1485 00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,200 delving into secrets of the mysteries of 1486 00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:30,180 our times many of those 1487 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:32,940 things that other authors are unwilling 1488 00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,220 to tackle 1489 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,280 so much experience of the esoteric the 1490 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,280 Gnostic and the Paranormal for over 25 1491 00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,160 years and this book is such a great 1492 00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:46,079 contribution to those of us who are 1493 00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:48,619 interested in these topics I really do 1494 00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:52,200 recommend if you have someone on your 1495 00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:54,059 list for Christmas and you don't know 1496 00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:55,859 what to get them 1497 00:58:00,849 --> 00:57:59,760 it will cover many of the secrets the 1498 00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:00,859 ufology 1499 00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:04,559 and the mysteries of our time 1500 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,559 very engaging book no matter what your 1501 00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:09,180 background I highly recommend you 1502 00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:11,819 purchase them for those people on your 1503 00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,319 Christmas list 1504 00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,020 until next time keep your eyes to the 1505 00:58:28,450 --> 00:58:18,720 skies feet on the ground but don't 1506 00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:30,470 all right